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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://community.broadcastengineering.com/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>DTV Transition</title><link>http://community.broadcastengineering.com/forums/82.aspx</link><description>With the analog shutoff only about a year away, how does your station measure up? Afraid your station might not make it? Praying the FCC will slide the date even just a little? Trust us, you’re not alone. Swap your stories about how you are handling the transition here. </description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2007 SP2 (Build: 20611.960)</generator><item><title>Delaying DTV deadline compounds complexity of transition</title><link>http://community.broadcastengineering.com/forums/thread/87474.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:57:47 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">a3b08cee-bb15-43f6-a23b-084b038148a9:87474</guid><dc:creator>clajoie</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://community.broadcastengineering.com/forums/thread/87474.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://community.broadcastengineering.com/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=82&amp;PostID=87474</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;The &amp;quot;RF Update&amp;quot; newsletter just went out today, and already we&amp;#39;re getting quite a few comments on the top story, &amp;quot;&lt;a href="http://broadcastengineering.com/RF/delaying-dtv-deadline-compounds-complexity-transition-0115/" target="_blank"&gt;Delaying DTV deadline compounds complexity of transition&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;	 &lt;span id="dsq-author-user-5149293"&gt;GP&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="dsq-header-meta"&gt;	 &lt;span id="dsq-points-5149293" class="dsq-header-points" style="display:none;"&gt;1 point&lt;/span&gt;	 &lt;/span&gt;	 	 &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="dsq-comment-body"&gt;	 &lt;p id="dsq-login-5149293" style="display:none;"&gt;Please &lt;a href="http://disqus.com/login/?next=article:9919536" id="dsq-login-link"&gt;login&lt;/a&gt; to rate.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;	 &lt;p id="dsq-comment-alert-5149293" class="dsq-comment-alert" style="display:none;"&gt;	 Do you already have an account? &lt;a href="http://disqus.com/claim/"&gt;Log in and claim this comment&lt;/a&gt;.	 &lt;/p&gt;	 &lt;div id="dsq-comment-message-5149293" class="dsq-comment-message"&gt;The
transition to DTV was ill-conceived from the beginning oh so many years
ago...To this day, it was all about auctioning off spectrum to fill the
US Treasury....That DTV revenue was a Clinton/Gore idea I
believe...sorry to be political here... Interesting that it very nicely
had to be a requirement during the next admin (i.e Bush/Cheney). The
dates and the money however were decided mostly by Gore and the Dems.
In fact, VP Al Gore pushed for a receiver tax intially.....Sure we will
get much better pictures but such lousy coverage and no graceful
degradation due to &amp;quot;cliff efect&amp;quot;. Cable will be the answer to
distribution, not over the air. So then I ask; why the expensive
upgrades to the transmitter plant?....It may have had it&amp;#39;s faults but
the analog system from B&amp;amp;W to the compatible color system will
never be replicated again in terms of backward compatibility. The
brilliant people who could see how to not turn everyone&amp;#39;s B&amp;amp;W TVs
into junk back then just don&amp;#39;t exist anymore.&lt;/div&gt;	 &lt;/div&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;	 &lt;span id="dsq-author-user-5149836"&gt;John&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;span class="dsq-header-meta"&gt;	 &lt;span id="dsq-points-5149836" class="dsq-header-points" style="display:none;"&gt;1 point&lt;/span&gt;	 &lt;/span&gt;	 	 &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="dsq-comment-body"&gt;	 &lt;p id="dsq-login-5149836" style="display:none;"&gt;Please &lt;a href="http://disqus.com/login/?next=article:9919536" id="dsq-login-link"&gt;login&lt;/a&gt; to rate.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;	 &lt;p id="dsq-comment-alert-5149836" class="dsq-comment-alert" style="display:none;"&gt;	 Do you already have an account? &lt;a href="http://disqus.com/claim/"&gt;Log in and claim this comment&lt;/a&gt;.	 &lt;/p&gt;	 &lt;div id="dsq-comment-message-5149836" class="dsq-comment-message"&gt;I&amp;#39;m
sorry, but if people aren&amp;#39;t ready after all the announcements that have
already been made. Why do you think giving them more time will mean
they will be ready when the next &amp;quot;dead line&amp;quot; approachs.&lt;/div&gt;	 &lt;/div&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp; 	 &lt;span id="dsq-author-user-5150204"&gt;Gregg E Zuelke&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;span class="dsq-header-meta"&gt;	 &lt;span id="dsq-points-5150204" class="dsq-header-points" style="display:none;"&gt;1 point&lt;/span&gt;	 &lt;/span&gt;	 	 &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="dsq-comment-body"&gt;	 &lt;p id="dsq-login-5150204" style="display:none;"&gt;Please &lt;a href="http://disqus.com/login/?next=article:9919536" id="dsq-login-link"&gt;login&lt;/a&gt; to rate.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;	 &lt;p id="dsq-comment-alert-5150204" class="dsq-comment-alert" style="display:none;"&gt;	 Do you already have an account? &lt;a href="http://disqus.com/claim/"&gt;Log in and claim this comment&lt;/a&gt;.	 &lt;/p&gt;	 &lt;div id="dsq-comment-message-5150204" class="dsq-comment-message"&gt;CONCERNING THE DTV CONVERSION:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Note, I have worked in electronics myself for over 30 years before having to&lt;br /&gt;retire for medical problems.  I am a member of the &amp;#39;National Association of&lt;br /&gt;Broadcasters&amp;#39;, associate member of the Society of Broadcast Engineers,&lt;br /&gt;member of the IEEE, retired Electronics Technician 1st Class in the US&lt;br /&gt;Navy, and have carried the [old] FCC 1st Class Radio Telephony&lt;br /&gt;(engineering) licencing for many years.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is an observation I have about the &amp;quot;DTV&amp;quot; conversion from the area of&lt;br /&gt;Nevada I live in:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have been helping set up the &amp;#39;converter boxes&amp;#39; for elderly people for about&lt;br /&gt;a year now.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I live in a mountainous area about 40 miles east of where the primary&lt;br /&gt;television transmitter group is located at, near Reno, NV.  Our &amp;#39;analog&amp;#39; &lt;br /&gt;1.8MW ERP station often does not have a decent signal with homes behind&lt;br /&gt;the mountain and hill ranges.  In many cases, neither the analog or digital&lt;br /&gt;signals come through in areas behind mountains for the seven primary&lt;br /&gt;stations in the area.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We operate four &amp;#39;translators&amp;#39; in the area for stations whose signals were&lt;br /&gt;known not to make it this far.  The two stations that do not have translators&lt;br /&gt;in this area will be lost for those hidden from the signals even with outside&lt;br /&gt;antennas if no digital translators or new digital to analog translators are&lt;br /&gt;erected now for the three to five year period of translator change-out.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For those I have set systems for, quite a few had purchased the &amp;#39;digital only&amp;#39;&lt;br /&gt;converter boxes since they were not aware the &amp;#39;rural&amp;#39; areas would remain&lt;br /&gt;analog through translators for awhile.  I had to install A/B switches so they&lt;br /&gt;could go between the standard TV and the box since their TVs were old&lt;br /&gt;enough not to have an auxillary signal input.  (Quite a few are handicapped&lt;br /&gt;so they have to roll to the TV every time they need to switch signals, more of&lt;br /&gt;an inconvenience to their life.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Others who purchased the boxes with the pass through but no auxillary&lt;br /&gt;inputs to the TV, have to turn the &amp;#39;box&amp;#39; on and off to get either analog or digital&lt;br /&gt;since the boxes do not have the &amp;#39;TV/VCR&amp;#39; [type] function that VCRs do.&lt;br /&gt;(Warm up and turn off times have been as much as a minute.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The few that do have auxillary inputs can basically run their TVs regularly, but&lt;br /&gt;I did have to rig antenna splitters for them so the box and TV could each get&lt;br /&gt;a signal and install amplifiers since more splitting eats up signal strength.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;MANY places I put a &amp;#39;rotor&amp;#39; on the antenna due to where the analog&lt;br /&gt;translators to the digital transmitters were located at, as well as the&lt;br /&gt;distances and the mountain blocking, so to change channels they also&lt;br /&gt;have to rotate the antenna, both on digital and analog.&lt;br /&gt;(Some I had to put an external antenna up because they live in older metal&lt;br /&gt;mobile homes.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;TWO things that have upset MANY people that do not have more modern&lt;br /&gt;equipment, include:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;MANY were not aware that their [older] VCRs would &amp;#39;NOT&amp;#39; record any digital&lt;br /&gt;channel.  They have only heard their &amp;#39;TV&amp;#39; would not work.  I explain they can&lt;br /&gt;put another &amp;#39;converter box&amp;#39; in line with the VCR, but, unless they change the&lt;br /&gt;converter box channel at the time they want to record another channel since&lt;br /&gt;the box does not operate like a VCR where you can set channel AND time to&lt;br /&gt;record, if they go out they only get the first channel they tuned to on the box.&lt;br /&gt;And that the &amp;#39;other&amp;#39; box has to be different or the one remote will control&lt;br /&gt;both.&lt;br /&gt;(And, of course, for those who had to have rotor antennas, if the antenna is&lt;br /&gt;aimed at one area and what they want to record has to have a different aim&lt;br /&gt;or a TV in a different room that someone wants to watch a different channel,&lt;br /&gt;they may not get that channel anyway.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;AND, that their [older] radios with analog TV audio, will ALSO fail for any&lt;br /&gt;channel that will not have an analog translator out here.  (MANY radios ---&lt;br /&gt;including the &amp;#39;American Red Cross&amp;#39; emergency radios --- are STILL being&lt;br /&gt;sold w/o a warning that the analog TV audio will not be usable.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;FEW manufacturers make VCRs with BOTH analog and digital tuners; the&lt;br /&gt;few I&amp;#39;ve seen are in the $350 range; the few only record on a DVD for the&lt;br /&gt;digital side.  Those I&amp;#39;ve set that do not have auxillary inputs to their TVs&lt;br /&gt;--- if they have multiple locations such as their living room and bedroom ---&lt;br /&gt;cannot move a DVD from their living room to bedroom to watch what they&lt;br /&gt;recorded.  MANY &amp;#39;CANNOT AFFORD&amp;#39; to buy new items so to be able to&lt;br /&gt;handle this.  And MANY are not quite capable to operate so many different&lt;br /&gt;items and remotes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As I installed the boxes, I would inform my &amp;quot;local&amp;quot; television stations of:&lt;br /&gt;where the box was being installed and what signals were available,&lt;br /&gt;including if I had put a rotor on the antenna what &amp;#39;point&amp;#39; the antenna was&lt;br /&gt;aimed at --- I usually rotated the antenna at 15° points --- how the&lt;br /&gt;signals were affected.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I also sent results to the &amp;quot;National Association of Broadcasters&amp;quot;, to the&lt;br /&gt;&amp;quot;Nevada Broadcaster&amp;#39;s Association&amp;quot;, to commissioners at the &amp;quot;FCC&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;talked about this problem to the local &amp;quot;Society of Broadast Engineers&amp;quot; where&lt;br /&gt;at a couple of different meetings we had members from the &amp;quot;National&lt;br /&gt;Association of Radio and Television Engineers&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;National Motion&lt;br /&gt;Pictures and Television Engineers&amp;quot;, put my observations on several&lt;br /&gt;websites, mentioned what I found to the couple of local &amp;quot;big box&amp;quot; stores that&lt;br /&gt;were doing &amp;#39;so-called&amp;#39; &amp;quot;DTV TRAINING&amp;quot; seminars, and talked to whomever I&lt;br /&gt;could when asked about the conversion. For those who are in the industry, I&lt;br /&gt;essentially was turned aside.  (I had heard that the &amp;quot;NBA&amp;quot; did &amp;quot;ONE&amp;quot; 1/2&lt;br /&gt;hour show for Nevada, known as &amp;quot;Observations&amp;quot;, about the DTV change-over&lt;br /&gt;with a little bit of information in what I was mentioning, but it is not advertised&lt;br /&gt;as such in the local TV guides; for the few other shows that have been&lt;br /&gt;put out for the &amp;quot;DTV&amp;quot; conversion such as on &amp;quot;PBS / KNPB-TV 5&amp;quot;, it did not get&lt;br /&gt;in to as much detail as what I had been telling them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There may have been $1.25B put out to educate the public that we are&lt;br /&gt;changing to digital, but the implementation of the plan to explain the massive&lt;br /&gt;extent of the change, especially to those who live in RURAL areas where&lt;br /&gt;translators are norm; in areas of mountains; of the OTHER equipment that&lt;br /&gt;will ALSO be affected, washorribly done, on websites --- which MANY people&lt;br /&gt;I worked with ALSO did not have internet access --- nor when calling in to&lt;br /&gt;find out what was going on since they did not know what questions to ask.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We may need an extra few years and money to bring people more up to date. &lt;br /&gt;When we went to color, it did not affect B/W TVs.  The addition of stereo did&lt;br /&gt;not affect mono TVs.  VCRs were a simple upgrade.  Going from analog&lt;br /&gt;to digital is a massive change-out that just telling people that your TV will go&lt;br /&gt;dark as of Feb 17, 2009 w/o a converter box or new TV, was poorly done.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is an interesting item:  I can get both the &amp;#39;analog&amp;#39; signal directly from&lt;br /&gt;one TV station where I live. I can get the &amp;#39;translator&amp;#39; channel from the same&lt;br /&gt;station, which the translator has a digital to analog converter installed since&lt;br /&gt;translators will be around for awhile and our units do &amp;#39;donate&amp;#39; their signal to&lt;br /&gt;other units down the path. During one of the tests, I changed from the&lt;br /&gt;primary channel to the translator channel and on my 8 year old TV, I passed&lt;br /&gt;one test and failed the other test, without having a converter box installed.&lt;br /&gt;Cool, isn&amp;#39;t it?  What do you think OTHER people who normally tune in to&lt;br /&gt;translator channels ONLY, will think when it says their [older] TV will &amp;#39;PASS&amp;#39; &lt;br /&gt;or the digital conversion even if they do not have the converter box installed?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sincerely,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Gregg E Zuelke&lt;br /&gt;Silver Springs, NV&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;ET1 USN (retired / medical)&lt;br /&gt;IEEE member&lt;br /&gt;NAB member&lt;br /&gt;SBE associate member&lt;br /&gt;FCC 1st class R/T licensed&lt;br /&gt;AmRad Operator&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsq-comment-message-5150204" class="dsq-comment-message"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsq-comment-message-5150204" class="dsq-comment-message"&gt;.........&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsq-comment-message-5150204" class="dsq-comment-message"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsq-comment-message-5150204" class="dsq-comment-message"&gt;What&amp;#39;s your take on the issue? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;	 &lt;/div&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>