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Last post 04-18-2008 8:10 AM by natural. 9 replies.
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  • 02-20-2008 2:39 PM

    • MOLB
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    Ask a Swede

    Hey - we're already all DTV in Sweden, (except maybe on some cables). The last terrestrial transmitter was turned off in October last fall.

    So what do you wanna know?Wink

  • 02-20-2008 7:07 PM In reply to

    Re: Ask a Swede

     what do you guys use for an audio console out there?  Small budget studio getting ready to go digital just need to know what to get and trying to get ideas.  Thanks

  • 02-21-2008 3:45 AM In reply to

    • MOLB
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    Re: Ask a Swede

    I don't want to publish names I’m looking at since I'm helping a Swedish broadcaster to publish an Invitation to Tender on Monday. But we have been looking at all major brands in the higher price region.

    Looking at audio desks in the lower price regions always points at music or post oriented desks where the larger sales volumes gives lower price. And these desks are not ideal for broadcast. I haven't had the fortune to look into this market but I've seen Yamaha desks a lot. The users in live production are not always happy, but the account department is and the Yamaha desks do produce digital audio in 5.1 if necessary.

    Mikael Olsson
  • 02-21-2008 6:02 PM In reply to

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    Did you guys try out distributed transmitting?Party!!!

    Paul Thurston
    Producer - Director of Photography
    www.paul.thurston.net
  • 02-22-2008 3:02 AM In reply to

    • MOLB
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    Re: Ask a Swede

    “We guys” might not use that word. Can you explain the expression "distributed transmitting"?Or I can tell you that Sweden (a small kingdom up north in Europe) today has one digital terrestrial operator (Boxer - state owned) but the government just decided to open up the net for more operators. We have 2 major digital satellite operators, which both are private. And finally we have a few larger and a bunch of smaller cables operators - both analogue and digital.Cables have a relatively small penetration in Sweden since our small population is widely spread, but in the cities cable rules. Satellite operators are bigger but the digital terrestrial operator Boxer has most subscribers, as a single operator. (The last analogue terrestrial transmitter was turned of in October last year.) I’m not sure of the total figures of each distribution types and I suppose this depends on demographics and geographic variations and vary from country to country.Most broadcasters broadcasting over Sweden tries to be on all distributions, which is natural. Some broadcasters – both public and commercial – have diverted their distribution to be able to do regional transmissions. The reasons are to be able to transmit local shows or local commercials.To my knowledge, no one switches locally any more, since switching transport streams are a bit tricky. Instead they build up centrally distributed nets to every region using satellite or land lines. This can then only reach local digital transmitters or cables.There are constant argues on bandwidth and video formats for HD, and since terrestrial net has such a penetration, this is a problem in Sweden, since the DVB-T mux’s has a limited bandwidth. On satellite and some cables we have something like 10 HD channels, but they are not broadcasting 24/7.
    What else do you want to know?
    Mikael – not an expert - Olsson
  • 02-22-2008 10:28 AM In reply to

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    Hi Mikael,

    By distributed transmission I meant: did BOXER at any moment, do a transmission test where one DVB-T transmitter and a "repeater transmitter" broadcast in the same  frequency to cover areas where signal propagation was low? (similar to an ATSC Distributed Transmission): http://broadcastengineering.com/storage_networking/atsc-distributed-transmission/

    I was just curious as to DVB-T experiences with this form of signal propagation.Hmm

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Paul Thurston
    Producer - Director of Photography
    www.paul.thurston.net
  • 02-22-2008 3:09 PM In reply to

    • MOLB
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    Re: Ask a Swede

     

    This is not my field of expertise - if I have any -, so I will have to use one of my life lines - I'll call a friend. I'm hopefully back within a day or so - OK?

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    Mike - the more production oriented - Olsson

    paulthurston:

    Hi Mikael,

    By distributed transmission I meant: did BOXER at any moment, do a transmission test where one DVB-T transmitter and a "repeater transmitter" broadcast in the same  frequency to cover areas where signal propagation was low? (similar to an ATSC Distributed Transmission): http://broadcastengineering.com/storage_networking/atsc-distributed-transmission/

    I was just curious as to DVB-T experiences with this form of signal propagation.Hmm

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

  • 02-26-2008 9:39 AM In reply to

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    Hi Mikael,

    I was curious as to how channels where accepted into Boxer. Where I live, some consider it important to offer as an option for Digital Transmission something like what Boxer set up originally (with the difference on non encrypted transmission.)  However, the local Constitution makes it difficult to select such a system on grounds of possible disregard to freedoms of speech and press rights (only those that are favored by the powers that be may get selected to be included in the nation wide transmission system.)  So, I was curious as to how channels where accepted into Boxer. 

     

    Paul Thurston
    Producer - Director of Photography
    www.paul.thurston.net
  • 02-26-2008 10:12 AM In reply to

    • MOLB
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    Re: Ask a Swede

    Hi Paul 

    Looking at Boxers home page (http://www.boxer.se) which is not available in english, I can read that the Government accepts channels to distribute, but they do it more or less on a commercial ground. They know that Boxers competing with the other commercial networks – being cables or satellite. With the relatively smaller space given by the terrestrial bandwidth limitations, the channels chosen are the most wanted and viewed.

    The government also tries to apply rules to the channels “broadcasted from Swedish territory”. I.e. no commercials for tobacco, alcohol or commercials aimed directly to minors. This rule has had the effect that some Swedish spoken channels are broadcasted from abroad, like Great Britain who has more “tolerant” commercial rules. Foreign channels are free to broadcast whatever commercials allowed in the country the channel are broadcasted from originally.

    Here’s a link to Boxers page describing what channels they distribute - http://www.boxer.se/?page=1246. One shouldn’t compare Boxers network in Sweden with nation wide networks in the USA, since there is only some 9 million people in Sweden. This makes it easier to control in one way, and that is what the government tries to do. We haven’t yet seen the effects of letting other operators into the network in competition with Boxer. Future will tell!

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    Mikael Olsson

  • 04-18-2008 8:10 AM In reply to

    • natural
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    Re: Ask a Swede

    Hi MOLB. I just want to know for monitoring, how did Sweden monitor digital terrestrial broadcast?

    thank you,

    Petrit AVDULLAHU, MCR
    Gmds, Kosova,
    www.gmds.tv

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